right brained

topic posted Thu, May 5, 2005 - 8:37 AM by  HunnyDu
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Im super right brained, to a fault. IM terrible at quantifying data and spatial organization.... cant play instruments either... but logic and analysis, IM super good with...


what about the rest of you?
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  • Re: right brained

    Thu, May 5, 2005 - 1:11 PM
    My mom is really left-brained, can't take a hint, thinks talking can solve every problem, reads a lot. My dad was really right-brained, worked with his hands building furniture, working on cars, metalworking, drawing, etc, but didn't talk much and never read for pleasure.

    I got lucky and got my mom's left and my dad's right brain.

    Hunny, I thought spatial organization was right-brain?
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      Re: right brained

      Thu, May 5, 2005 - 7:07 PM
      I got it all!

      Okay, except for the spatial relations. (Yeah, I thought that was a right-brain ability, too.)

      And the athletic ability. (I am never sure which hand to use, and I feel like such a klutz.)

      I *love* to read for pleasure. I have kept a journal for more than 27 years. As a child, I very much enjoyed drawing -- until I realized that I wasn't good at it.

      My undergraduate degree is in chemical engineering. My favorite course in four years of college was Creative Writing, closely followed by Freshman Comp, Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics, and Engineering Economics. I am (or was, anyway, until I lost the motivation) pursuing an M. S. in counseling psychology.

      My problem, generally, is that what I'm good at and what I'm interested in (pardon the grammar) are often not the same things. If I could spend the rest of my life in college (i.e., not have to work for a living), I would study Latin, Greek, French, psychology, philosophy, American literature, and creative writing. And I would take piano as an elective. I never did learn how to play.

      Denise
      • Re: right brained

        Fri, May 6, 2005 - 9:05 AM
        Im a psych major, I dont do sports, I hate math, and I love foreign languages....

        Im textbook right brainer, but I also love to read.
      • Re: right brained

        Sat, May 28, 2005 - 11:12 PM
        actually, spacial relations are a more male thing than female thing
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          Re: right brained

          Sun, May 29, 2005 - 5:04 AM
          "actually, spacial relations are a more male thing than female thing"

          Ooh, I just *love* gender generalizations! Some of my classmates at one of the top engineering schools in the country would be shocked, shocked to hear such a broad-brush dismissal of their abilities.

          Despite my own lack of spatial relations, I still managed to graduate in the top 26% of my class. I had the highest GPA of everyone...who didn't make it into Tau Beta Pi, the engineering honor society. <grin> I had almost as many left-handed classmates as I did female classmates, including the occasional left-handed female (comme moi).
          • Re: right brained

            Sun, May 29, 2005 - 10:07 PM
            hey, go blame the statistics. it has to do with masculine genetics. that doesn't mean you can't be female and gifted. girls are better than guys at different mental tasks, like being able to look at a spread of objects and remember where everything was placed. i don't remember the site anymore, but there was a british study going on talking about "gendered" intelligence. they gave various mental tasks that either boys were better at or that girls were better at and let you place yourself on a mental gender spectrum. one thing i did notice especially was how horrible i am at identifying emotions in faces. i pretty much got every one of those questions wrong (typical male mind). anyhow, i think you can find it in one of those philosophy of the mind tribes.
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              Re: right brained

              Mon, July 11, 2005 - 4:36 PM
              I actually scored off the charts for spatial understanding. I don't think it's sexually innate, I think it is a learned skill related to activities encouraged. That 'gendered' test is less dimorphic the earlier in life that you test.
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            Sun, May 29, 2005 - 10:09 PM
            oh right, spacial relations aren't intelligence, they're spacial relations. i kinda skipped over what you were saying when the self righteousness hit. kinda like you skipped over what i was saying when i said "more male".
            • Re: right brained

              Mon, July 11, 2005 - 4:11 PM
              My goodness, touchy touchy, like kids on a playground.
              The statistical differences between the genders in regards to maths and sciences are 100 % cultural. Non western girls test as high as men in maths and sciences, its only our society that teaches us that those things arent for girls, and the test score discrepencies reflect just that.
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              Mon, July 11, 2005 - 4:39 PM
              I would like to point out that the 'more male' reference is still tainted. It implies that if a woman has good spatial understanding, then she is more masculine or more male.
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                Mon, July 25, 2005 - 8:56 PM
                feel free to show me the papers you read on these topics. i've never heard of these claims. it'd be interesting to see the research you're talking about.
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                  Re: right brained

                  Wed, July 27, 2005 - 8:22 AM
                  Are you asking me for papers, or are you asking me for my own educational background in neurological studies?
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                    Re: right brained

                    Tue, August 2, 2005 - 1:38 PM
                    well, i have a feeling we're thinking about different things here. i haven't claimed that women don't preform as well as men in math and science. what i'm saying is that the studies i've read show that statistically, men and women have different strong and weak points in the ways our minds operate. i'm not saying anyone is better or worse; we're different.

                    as an example, here is an excerpt from a paper in the Early Childhood Research Quarterly: Special Issue on Mathematics and Science (2004)

                    It is striking that spatial gender differences can be found as early as preschool and kindergarten. Researchers have provided evidence of early gender differences in mental rotation ability as well as in other types of mental transformations (Cronin, 1967; Rosser, Ensing, Gilder & Lane, 1984; McGuinness & Morley, 1991). Levine and colleagues (1999) found evidence of gender differences favoring males on part-whole relations tasks requiring mental transformations (slides) and two-dimensional mental rotations (turns) in children as young as four-and-a-half.



                    The material below was excerpted from Casey, Pezaris, Anderson, and Bassi (2004), and article in the National Council of Supervisors of Mathematics Monograph. Challenging young children mathematically.

                    “Why do these findings have implications for young children in particular?…” [Spatial skills] “are useful for young math learners when constructing with blocks, estimating how many disks are in a jar, estimating the length of a pencil, or figuring out how to put together a tangram puzzle or a pattern block design….We believe that strategies that children choose for solving mathematics problems develop right at the outset of schooling, and that we need to start at this point in time to promote spatial as well as analytical strategies for solving mathematics problems. This is particularly critical for girls, since boys appear to be more likely to acquire these strategies on their own during the early years.”

                    References for the Excerpted Articles


                    Casey, B., Kersh, J. E., & Mercer Young, J. (2004). Storytelling sagas: An effective medium for teaching early childhood mathematics. Early Childhood Research Quarterly: Special Issue on Mathematics and Science, 19, 167-172.

                    Casey, B., Pezaris, B., Anderson, K., Bassi, J. (2004). Gender differences in spatial skills: Implications for the mathematics education of young children. C. Greenes, & J. Tsankova (Eds.) Challenging young children mathematically (pp. 28-39). Golden, Co.: NCSM. Special Monograph on Early Childhood Mathematics. National Council of Supervisors of Mathematics.

                    www2.bc.edu/~caseyb/spatial.html
                    • Re: right brained

                      Tue, August 2, 2005 - 2:48 PM
                      I think ( and this is what I do, so here it comes) that the cultural explanations for men having an edge in spatial/math stuff is the more valid explanation. When the study you posted used preschoolers, you need to analyze what shapes a preschoolers mind ( I teach preschool) I still hold that the differences are cultural, not gender related, and the following example is just one that illustrates my point.

                      What do we give little boys to play with? Blocks.

                      What do we give little girls to play with? Dolls.

                      Right off the get-go were making a cultural divide with spatial skills by what we give our kids to play with, and we send the message that certain skills and activities are specified by gender and children that age identify their gender by environment, so its a very strong influence.

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